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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

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  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Sea Breeze

  there is the concept in Witness publications that the Christian scriptures was written for the anointed ones.

  Historical Christianity including the apostles believe the same thing. The switch happened when the WT convinced people that they could still be Christians without being anointed. The WT changed the definition of what anointed meant in the bible. A JW will think that it means going to heaven. But "anointed" is the same as "being declared righteous" and also the same as being "Justified".

  No Justification = no salvation from judgment.

  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:... Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. - Romans 5: 1&9
  
  
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

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  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Sea Breeze

  @Vidiot

  WT theology (indoctrination) cannot be untangled unless a persons does two things:

  1. You must totally get rid of symbolic interpretation unless it is warranted in the same verse(s) you believe might be metaphoric.

  2. You must abandon all non biblical definitions of words, concepts and phrases.

  In the above instance you referenced, death means separation of the soul, body, spirit interfaces of identity, not non-existence.

  Genesis 35:18 Amplified Bible (AMP)And as her soul was departing, (for she died), she named him Ben-oni (son of my sorrow); but his father called him Benjamin (son of the right hand).

  
  

  So while the wages of sin is death, there is still judgment and punishment after death... unless of course a person accepts Jesus' offer to be punished in their place. (See Hebrews 9: 27 & 2 Corinthians 5:21 )
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  Q about Jesus' sacrifice

  by oncebitten in

  1. jw
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  i have several jw family members.

  i have been shunned many years now.

  i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.

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  Sea Breeze

  I suppose due to an allowance for "family business' I was in contact with a jw relative not long ago. A mutual JW family member died. This Jw relative announce to me that this deceased person's sins were forgiven by his death. I was not sure if I heard correctly, and innocently asked, What? You mean by Jesus' death?
  That brought laughter and this reply; "No of course not,.Jesus didnt die for our sins- he died for Adam's sins"
  This person has been a JW for 28 years. So I will assume that is the current belief of a Jw. Any thoughts?

  I have thought a lot about this topic. Yes, it is still current theology. But, it is not pushed because it is just so reprehensible to even speak it. If they harped on it too much, the members would realize that they were working for their salvation which is clearly condemned in scripture.
  
  Yet, undercurrents of self-atonement and works-based salvation are readily accepted even though they will profess the opposite when questioned. It is a weird existence the JW's try to live. No wonder so many mental problems.
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  1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations

  by Sea Breeze in

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  quote from that world wide resolution: .

  that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.

  this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.

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  Sea Breeze

  How has no one caught this before?

  I'm afraid I agree with your wifey. (At least your wife will talk to you about it. My wife has written them all off as criminals. My father's name is not even alowed to be spoken in our home.)

  Nontheless, this is huge. Needs to be more researched. I'm going to Europe in a few weeks. Maybe I should spend a couple days in London snooping around.

  
  
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  What is the Evidence for a Common Ancestor for Eukaryotic and Prokaryotic Cells?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  prokaryotes.

  eukaryotes.

  lysosomes and centrosomes are present.

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  Sea Breeze

  Jeffro, I know you are not a biologist. But do you know of any evolutionary biologists that has a theory how the unentanglement function of certain enzymes, like for instance Topoisomerases II could have evolved? Here's a very short and super simple explanation on how the problem of entangled DNA strands is solved.

  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyl86jQ_Rs
  
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  Armageddon Car

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  how many of you bought a nice sedan, suv, or even a minivan back in the days that you described as your "armageddon car" that you would care for and it would last until the end arrived?.

  i was driving a 1974 plymouth volare wagon in 1992 when i managed to get an 8-year old buick century.

  it was low mileage and had a very luxurious interior.

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  Sea Breeze

  The time may come when our message takes on a harsher tone, one like a great war cry. We should be ready to adapt our 4 door sedans at the direction of the slave even if their advice doesn't makes sense to us at the time. Here are some ideas.

  
  

  
  
  
  
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  What is the Evidence for a Common Ancestor for Eukaryotic and Prokaryotic Cells?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  prokaryotes.

  eukaryotes.

  lysosomes and centrosomes are present.

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  Sea Breeze

  Jeffro,

  Both of these cells types are self-contained units and need all of the various components to survive. How could one compete cell factory change into a completely different cell factory if any of the intermediate changes would cause the cell to immediately die? There are zillions of chicken and egg "problems" like this in biology.

  Vastly complicating this problem for atheists are the many molecular machines and enzymes that produce specific multi-step functions... like Topoisomerases.

  Topoisomerases are nuclear enzymes that play essential roles in DNA replication, transcription, chromosome segregation, and recombination. This 4 minute video explains:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5oPL0PqYE&t=270s
  
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  VERY NEW AT THIS BUT LOST IN SPACE

  by stephenlettclownface in

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  i apologize if this post ends up in the wrong place.

  i have been a lurker here for several years.

  i thoroughly enjoy this site, have for years, and read something or another on this site many times a week.

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  Sea Breeze

  A lovely first post STCF.
  
  Welcome.
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  1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  quote from that world wide resolution: .

  that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.

  this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.

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  Sea Breeze

  it appears to be what is known as, controlled opposition by the WT.

  @oncebitten: It seems to be an escape route where you can reject the GB of JW's but keep the whacky early heresies.

  As you may know (but most Jws do not) the WT owns IBSA aka Internationial Bible Student Assoc. JUST THAT ALONE is insane- knowing that IBSA in London still sells the writings of Charles Taze Russel; while the ET currently claims to reject his teachings as apostate.

  I suppose WT could sue them to stop using the name at anytime but chooses not to do so?

  Pretty wild stuff.
  
  
  
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  What is the Evidence for a Common Ancestor for Eukaryotic and Prokaryotic Cells?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  prokaryotes.

  eukaryotes.

  lysosomes and centrosomes are present.

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  Sea Breeze

  
  

  	Prokaryotes	Eukaryotes
  Type of Cell	Always unicellular	Unicellular and multi-cellular
  Cell size	Ranges in size from 0.2 μm – 2.0 μm in diameter	Size ranges from 10 μm – 100 μm in diameter
  Cell wall	Usually present; chemically complex in nature	When present, chemically simple in nature
  Nucleus	Absent. Instead, they have a nucleoid region in the cell	Present
  Ribosomes	Present. Smaller in size and spherical in shape	Present. Comparatively larger in size and linear in shape
  DNA arrangement	Circular	Linear
  Mitochondria	Absent	Present
  Cytoplasm	Present, but cell organelles absent	Present, cell organelles present
  Endoplasmic reticulum	Absent	Present
  Plasmids	Present	Very rarely found in eukaryotes
  Ribosome	Small ribosomes	Large ribosomes
  Lysosome	Lysosomes and centrosomes are absent	Lysosomes and centrosomes are present
  Cell division	Through binary fission	Through mitosis
  Flagella	The flagella are smaller in size	The flagella are larger in size
  Reproduction	Asexual	Both asexual and sexual
  Example	Bacteria and Archaea	Plant and Animal cell